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Happy 2/22!

Hellooooooo, everyone! I am (temporarily) back! Anyone else still out there in LJ-land? I’m going to assume no one is and just post this for my own sake, as I’ve missed having the spoons to keep up this blog like I used’ta could.

I’m still actively posting and writing about Harvey and the rogues over at Tumblr, at least until that site goes the way of LJ (as it seems determined to do) and I have to find yet another format. But no matter how comfortably I’ve adjusted to Tumblr over the years, neither it nor any other platform has ever been as great as LJ when it comes to being able to post long, image-heavy reviews and sharing epic discussions with commenters. I miss this format and I miss the people it attracted.

Well, it’s 2/22, and even if this place is only slightly less dead than MySpace, I wanted to give some quick looks at all of the big Harvey stories I’ve missed since I last updated. Someday, Grodd willing, I will be able to review some of these in full, but until then, I want to at least acknowledge the highs and lows of this current era of Harvey.

Because we ARE in a new era, folks. Thanks to Scott Snyder, we are now in what I am calling the Magenta Jacket era, as it’s been the only consistent detail of Harvey for the 2010’s.





“My Own Worst Enemy,” from All Star Batman #1-5, written by Scott Snyder, pencils by John Romita Jr, inks by Danny Miki.

Bruce and Harvey go on a road trip to cure the latter once and for all, only to run through a gauntlet of foes, greedy civilians, and even close allies. Along the way, writer Scott Snyder retcons Harvey’s backstory, his relationship with Bruce, and the nature of his mental illness.

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This story was crap. It wasn’t an utter disaster like Jekyll and Hyde, but in terms of being a new origin for the post-52 era, it wasn’t as successfully executed as The Big Burn, and even THAT story had considerable flaws. If the point of these new origins is to revitalize these classic characters in ways to make them seem fresh, relevant, and comprehensible to modern audiences and readers, this story is a huge failure. All it did was over complicate and muddle Harvey, so it’s no wonder that subsequent stories have pretty much ignored the finer details of Snyder’s ideas.



The only thing that has stuck around is the magenta suit, although I personally prefer it being red, as it is sometimes colored. It puts him in better company with the current weird trend of dapper villains in bright red suits such as Ben Reilly as the Jackal, Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker, and even Keith David in Shane Black’s The Nice Guys.



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On the plus side, it established or reaffirmed some great aspects of Harvey’s backstory as canon: namely, Harvey’s abusive father and Bruce being his best friend since childhood! Yay! The actual details of these backstories are bad and annoying, but at least the general stuff is canon now, which is what’s important. Well, until the next retcon anyway.




“The Ballad of Olive Silverlock,” Gotham Academy: Second Semster #9-11, written by Karl Kerschel, Becky Cloonan, and Brendan Fletcher, art by MSASSYK, Adam Archer, and Sandra Hope.

In the finale arc of the cult favorite series, student Olive Silverlock gets possessed by an evil spirit bent on exacting revenge on the decedents of Gotham’s elder families. Her first target is Harvey, who gets spared once Olive discovers that no punishment he could suffer would be worse than the daily hell he lives in every day. So then Harvey befriends and teams up with a possessed schoolgirl to go after the Penguin! Fun times!



Sadly, this premise didn’t go anywhere. Harvey was taken out pretty quickly, and the story rightly focused on the main GA cast trying to save Olive. With only two issues left in the cancelled series and Harvey being a guest star, it was too much to hope that he’d stick around, or that his budding friendship with Olive would have gone anywhere, but it’s still sad to see this potential wasted.

Still, the story was great for Harvey as it provided a sympathetic tale that also added details to his mythos, namely that the Dents were an old family with roots in Gotham. After years of stories like Gates of Gotham which ignored the Dents in favor of establishing old families like the Cobblepots (yay) and the Elliots (boo), this was a welcome addition. Plus, it’s always great to see Harvey interact with someone outside the Bat Fam.



Batman: Arkham Knight, by Rocksteady Games.

I’m not gonna go into the full plot of the game, because that’s a whoooole other can o’ worms, so let’s just focus on Harvey’s role, such as it is.



Harvey robs banks. In the name of teaming up with all the rogues to finally take down Batman as part of some epic master plan, he... robs banks. Then he gets caught and thrown in a holding cell. That’s it.

AK is a pretty terrible game with a lot of good stuff in it. Harvey’s role in the game is a perfect example. It’s generally pointless, nonsensical, boring, and a waste of the character’s potential as a threat.



Regardless, the actual writing of Harvey is pretty damn wonderful. Though he rarely appears on screen, his voice(s) can be heard over speakers while Batman takes out his thugs, and it is through this dialogue that we hear some fantastically raw and tormented lines of dialogue that easily make up for how awfully-written he was in Arkham City. This is a rare take on Two-Face that successfully displays a Harvey Dent who feels betrayed by Batman without it coming off as an entirely crazy vendetta like in Batman Forever. His sense of betrayal actually sounds somewhat justified, even if his murderous reactions aren’t.



And then the game takes it even further if you play the Harvey missions after THE big reveal of the game, which I won’t spoil here just in case anyone still has yet to play this sloppy, overstuffed, often great mess of a game.



Harvey in this game is almost heartwrenching, and it made me wish the game writers had run with it further, if only to give Troy Baker more to work with. Baker is really fantastic when he gets a role to chew on as opposed to his usual stoic grim hero types, and I truly hope this isn’t the last time he voices Harvey.


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I normally hate David Finch’s art, but credit where it’s due, this is a fantastic piece.


Tom King’s work in Batman

Writer Tom King is currently THE Batman architect, having taken the reigns from Scott Snyder. I have very mixed, very complicated feelings about King’s work which I honestly feel incapable of articulating at present. I think I’m going to need to wait until his epic is finished around Batman #100 to properly evaluate his run overall. For now, though, I can this much: he seems to understand Harvey Dent in theory but not in practice.

In practice, we see this scene early on when Bane breaks into Arkham and encounters Harvey, who floats the possibility of helping Bane go after Batman. As this was published on the heels of My Own Worst Enemy, it was frustrating to see Harvey considering to go after Batman instead of fighting his evil side for dominance. Especially since all it amounts to is Bane beating the shit out of Harvey.




So yeah, that was pointless and uninspired. Just a standard cameo of Harvey being duplicitous and opportunistic, and then getting taken out like a chump.

This wouldn’t be anything new or strange if it weren’t for a scene several issues later, when the Joker and Catwoman share a long conversation as both are gravely wounded and lying on the ground. The two talk like old friends, despite the fact that they had just tried to kill one other, and eventually, the subject goes to Harvey.



Now this? This is really interesting. Not only do I absolutely love these kinds of stories anyway, with mortal foes just talking like normal folks in a bottle-episode-style format, but it’s great to see both these characters (and implicitly King himself) note the importance of Harvey and his relationship to Bruce. But this is the kind of thing we should be SEEING IN ACTION, not just talked about. This sort of thing shouldn be EXPLORED in the actual stories, not just discussed from a distance like fans trading theories on Discord or Tumblr.

Unfortunately, while King has been using number of classic rogues like Hugo, Ventriloquist, Penguin, Riddler, and Poison Ivy, his Harvey has been nowhere to be seen, other than a background appearance in “The War of Jokes and Riddles” and, most recently, in a dream sequence where he just shows up to be knocked out. Again.




Maybe King will actually bring Harvey in and, you know, DO something with him that lives up the promise he displayed for the character in that Selina/Joker page. But I’m not holding my breath. King is focused on much bigger ideas right now, and I don’t see Harvey fitting into them one way or another. Probably for the best.




The Lego Batman Movie

Billy Dee Williams finally gets to play Harvey!!!!! Unfortunately, along with the rest of the non-Joker/Harley rogues, the big ones beautifully cast with the likes of Conan O’Brien and Jason Mantzoukas, he only gets one or two lines. The Lego Batman Movie was almost perfect in every way, but it really didn’t make the best use of its incredible cast of rogues, Harvey included. It makes me long for an animated series, or at least some shorts, assuming they can get the stars back to voice their characters.



Batman VS Two-Face, the animated film from DC Animation

In Adam West’s final role, he returns to Batman in the animated sequel to Return of the Caped Crusaders, where he has to deal with the one major villain who never made it onto the original show: Two-Face... voiced by WILLIAM MOTHERFUCKING SHATNER!!!



Despite the excitement implied by my crass abuse of caps just there, I must confess that I didn’t love this one as much as I wanted. It’s pretty great all around, filled with some fantastic moments and rooted in Bruce trying to save Harvey, and it’s so much of what I want from a Two-Face story that I really did like it a ton. But I think I just kinda overhyped myself by the time I saw it.






I guess the biggest bummer is that DC’s animation department... sucks. It just sucks. Most of the animated films are so drab and boring to look at. The animation is stiff, the designs are boring, the colors are blah, and none of that is a good fit for the pop culture explosion of color and mood that Batman 66 embodies. If it had been done in the style of The Brave and the Bold, that would have been a great improvement.



Again, it really was excellent, and Shatner really brought his A-game to playing both sides of Harvey. It was definitely a vast improvement over the disappointment that was Len Wein’s adaptation of Harlan Ellison’s Lost Episode, which I also need to review sometime. Something about it was just missing for me, and I’m not sure if that’s just because I was expecting too much.




Two-Face: A Celebration of 75 Years, by Various

I’m shocked and delighted that Harvey got a whole 400-page collection for his 75th Anniversary, since it hadn’t even been two years since they already did a complication of his stories for the Arkham series of trades. That collection was largely dreadful, with a whole third of the entire book inexplicably dedicated to the Moench story with Circe. What the fuck, guys?!

This collection is much, much better. Most importantly: IT HAS EYE OF THE BEHOLDER! EYE OF THE BEHOLDER HAS FINALLY BEEN REPRINTED FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1995! The individual issue still isn’t available on Amazon/Comixology for some bizarre reason, so it’s only available through this expensive collection, but STILL! I have been asking for this for years!



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That said, the rest of the the collection is a mixed bag, but a better mixed bag than the Arkham one. The good: the Harvey Kent trilogy, the Brave and the Bold issue with Green Arrow, and the Secret Origins Special story with Grace/Gilda! The rest varies from meh to bad. The Jason Todd two-parter by Max Allan Collins has one of the funniest Two-Face bits ever, but it’s still not a great story for Harvey overall. Greg Rucka’s two-part finale for Harvey’s arc in No Man’s Land, with the trial of Jim Gordon, is an odd choice, one that doesn’t make much sense out of context with everything that led to that point, and the novelization version was better anyway. Same for including the final chapter of “Half a Life,” ugh. And of course, Joker’s Asylum and the Forever Evil issue are there, both of which are just awful, awful, awful.



BOOOOOOOOO

There are so many other stories I would have rather seen, like The Beautiful Ugly or the story from The Judas Coin. I know they weren’t capital-i Important stories, but that’s what liner notes are for, to explain the important events that happened to this character in stories that are either too long or too lousy to waste pages. I mean, only big old nerds are gonna pick up an expense collection like this, so you might as well fill it with the best gems you can find!

Ah well. The important thing is, EYE OF THE BEHOLDER YAY YAY HUZZAH YAY




Batgirl (2017) #24,

Harvey made a strange non-appearance in an early issue of the relaunched Batgirl series in the form of a hologram for an escape room, a situation that raised several question from me.



It wasn’t until issue #24 that Babs finally encountered the real Two-Face, and the results were disappointing and forgettable. He was written as just a flat menace with a boringly evil plan to blow up half of Gotham for no real reason other than “Gotham should feel my pain because reasons!”



Yawn, swipe left, thank u, next. (This is how you know this is a new post in 2019, because I am hip with The Kids.)

Oh well, at least the art by Scott Godlewski was great, and the cover by Dan Mora was fantastic. That was WAY too great a cover for such a middling appearanace.




“Deface the Face,” Detective Comics #988-993, written by James Robinson, art by Carmine Di Giandomenico and Stephen Segovia

James Robinson’s spiritual sequel to Face the Face (a story which somehow keeps getting reprinted despite being overall awful and one of the worst Two-Face stories ever written), Deface The Face has Batman teaming up with Harvey to thwart the plans of Kobra, a terrorist cult who like to do terrcoristicly cultish things. Seriously, do they even have a motivation? I don’t think they do.



This six-part, ready-for-the-trade arc was painfully boring and forgettable for the most part. But man oh man, the fourth issue... out of nowhere, the fourth issue came along and knocked my socks off. For almost a whole issue, Batman, Harvey, and Jim Gordon hang out on a rooftop like in the old days and they just... talk. And it’s fantastic. It provides a startlingly fresh look at the shifting dynamics between Harvey’s two sides, doing in one issue what Scott Snyder tried and failed to do in his whole damn story. And the art by Carmine Di Giandomenico is absolutely stellar, letting Harvey be so expressive and humane as he goes through his existential crisis in front of his oldest friends.





Sadly, after that, the story gets boring and silly, despite a couple fun moments with Harvey and Batman battling faceless Kobra goons. And while the story ends with Harvey and Batman going at each other again, it’s oddly sweet to see it depicted as two men who care for each other, even when they’re beating each other up. It almost casts their relationship along the lines of the one Batman had with Catwoman, where the chase was just how they bonded.

Sure, it’s fodder for the Bruce/Harvey shippers, but hey, works for me!



“Arkham,” Deathstroke #36-40, written by Priest, art by Carlo Pagulayan, Fernando Pasarin, and Ed Benes

I can’t believe this one might be my favorite of the whole lot. Seriously, I still can’t believe it. I am SO bored by Slade Wilson and the way DC keeps trying to make him a THING, and in a story alongside classic Batman villains, I was SO sure that Harvey would come off as boring and pointless as he was in the Batgirl story.

The story: Slade Wilson wakes up in Arkham Asylum and finds himself part of a group therapy experiment alongside several rogues, including patients like Harvey Dent and Hugo Strange. At this point, I’m assuming this is just another all-villain jam where my two favorite rogues would be sidelined, get to say a couple rote lines of dialogue, and then get knocked out by the hero.



And that’s how it seemed to be going, best as I could tell. The majority of the arc was dedicated to five issues of mindfucks where reality is uncertain to the point that the story is REALLY fucking hard to follow, until it’s revealed that the whole thing is a plot by Hugo (!), who’s secretly been in charge the whole time (!!!), and HARVEY is his partner in the whole scheme (!!ASDFSAGASAS!!!SDADSAAK!)



While Hugo is peeling away Slade’s psyche, Harvey (who is supposed to be in Arkham) tries to kill Joey Wilson and Wintergreen, and then kidnaps Rose, taking her to Vietnam to... well, I haven’t been reading the series, so I don’t understand the specifics of what Harvey wanted to do to Rose in regards to her own character arc, BUT THE POINT IS!... Harvey and Rose Wilson spend three issues of subplot sparring, talking, and bonding, and it is one of the coolest, freshest, most unusual and insightful uses of Harvey I have EVER seen.





Of all the stories listed here so far, this is the one I want most to dissect, and it’s also the one that scares me the most. Christopher Priest is a veteran writer who is often brilliant, but also someone who is a fan on nonlinear storytelling with scenes and dialogue that don’t always feel natural or easy to understand on first read. For me, reading Priest takes WORK, and boy howdy did this pay off.



This story had so many things I love. Hugo being a brilliant, crazy mastermind who wants to peel back the layers of his prey! Hugo and Harvey being partners of equal importance! Harvey paired with someone outside of the Bat-Fam, letting him play different roles than usual! A Harvey who is tormented but not depressing, sympathetic but also dangerous, forging a relationship with someone who actually engages with him rather than fighting him! And there’s even an IMPOSTOR TWO-FACE TO BOOT!

The only bad thing I can say about this story is the art. It’s so terribly, terribly bland, so very House Style boring. But all credit to the artist, he gave us one of the best full-page drawings of Harvey I’ve ever seen, a moment so inexplicable and so pointless a use of an entire page of issue that I will love its existence forever:



I look forward to rereading this story once I actually read Priest’s whole Deathstroke run. Yes, this story was so good, it made me care about reading 40-something issues of Deathstroke. Well done, Priest.

Whew! Man, I missed writing about Harvey on here. So many stories I’d love today examine in depth, and hopefully I will someday!

But first, if I ever get back to anything, it will finally, FINALLY have to be The Long Halloween, because—Maker preserve us—it’s finally going to be adapted as two animated films. And if Jensen Ackles is indeed voicing Harvey, as has been speculated, then I’m going to have to prepare for the possibility of a whole new influx of fans both for TLH and Harvey, not to mention Loeb’s version of Gilda. Maybe.

Until then, find me on Tumblr, and I’ll hopefully see you back here sometime before the next 2/22!
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Hooray! Great to see new content on here. I'd love to see your thoughts on the Long Halloween when you have the time.
God help us, the animated version will be atrocious, with the dull new anime-esque look they are using now, it won't even have Tim Sales memorable style going for it.
That’s what really galls me! You just know they’re not going to embrace the Sale style and try to create an incredible visual feast. They’ll just do like they always do with their adaptations and go with a slightly varied version of their same, stiff, bland, drab designs!

Like, can you imagine what the “Gotham By Gaslight” movie would have looked like if they had truly embraced the Mignola style the way the animators did for the sadly-unproduced “Amazing Screw-On Head” animated show?

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tungstencompton

February 23 2019, 05:00:05 UTC 12 months ago Edited:  February 23 2019, 05:03:34 UTC

I guess I have my account back? In case the spam filter hit my other comment too hard, here we go:

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IT LIVES! :D

Hi from Tumblr and back from ye olde days of s_d. Good to know you're back.

From what I can gather Arkham Knight was a mess, but I've been waiting to hear your thoughts on its Two-Face mainly because he seems to have been so marginal that nobody was really talking about him. Good to know there's something in there which is actually worth it.

As regards The Long Halloween, I'm somewhat sympathetic to it but yeah, it suffers a great deal of breadth without depth, but at least it does explore Harvey's frustrations leading up to the acid attack causing it all to fall apart and here he has some redeeming traits unlike, say, Dark Victory, where he's just a humourless, sneering villain (although that one page of him pistol-whipping the Joker in revenge for his home invasion was pretty cathartic) and for all of its faults still does give us pretty decent Year One continuation imagery and probably my favourite purple Catwoman costume and look - another thing I don't like about Dark Victory is Tim Sale's trend towards everyone looking ganglier too. Are you still floating that idea for a round-robin review of TLH incidentally?

P.S. It was totally Alberto.
Wow, that dissection of TLH is fantastic and it considers angles that never even occurred to me! Pretty much the only possibility it didn’t consider was Wizard Magazie’s #2 theory, which was that the killer was the unnamed wife of Richard Daniel, the banker killed by Johnny Viti in the first issue. I still like that idea. They didn’t even consider Gilda, by the way.

As for the old round-robin idea, I don’t know. A lot of the folks who agreed to do it have either dropped off the face of the earth or I’ve bevome estranged from them. But maybe I should consider it anyway, so I can devote my time primarily to Harvey and Gilda and let everyone else handle the rest.

Arkham Knight is a frustrating case. It’s worth playing for many reasons, but the story alternates between good and so bad it insults your intelligence. And for those of us who are less comfortable with driving games, all the contrived situations that the game forces you into using the Batmobile in mandatory missions is really fucking annoying.

tungstencompton

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about_faces

11 months ago

Nice recap!

I really miss the long-form style of the Internet of old. I don't mind new platforms and new ways of doing things getting popular, it's just that I wish the old style of in-depth discussion would not completely disappear, you know?

Gotham Academy looked cute, too bad it got cancelled. I feel with big marketing companies like DC has become, these kinds of quirky titles are where we are most likely to find unique takes on the characters these days.

And I've had some bad experiences with marshlands so all I can think about looking at that last picture is that he must be getting eaten alive by mosquitoes lol. Though in Vietnam that might not be a problem, I don't know.
Thank you! It was really nice to get back to this format, even as a temporary thing. I really wish there were a good modern outlet for this sort of thing. Preferably one that also paid!

Gotham Academy was very cute, and it’s a shame it didn’t get the audience it deserved, even if it wasn’t for me personally. The art was one of the biggest reasons to recommend it. Kerschel’s work on the Flash segment of Wednesday Comics really was one of the best parts of that anthology.

Ha, you’ve probably right, Harvey and Rose are probably getting eaten alive! Maybe he doused them both in Off and they had gin and tonics between panels.
Completely agree..Beautiful Ugly and the chapter from the Judas Coin should have been in the 75year celebration 9stunned that Two-Face even warranted a collection). Great to see the Haney era represented in Double Your Money and Die... the great fun Emperor Eagle story was hard bound collected in Legends of the Dark Knight by Jim Aparo vol 2...btw...great to seeHarvey chasing Joker around the boat for the finale...

Perhaps I always root for Harvey because his Justice League guest starring role was in my first batch of comics ever where he did help save the world and was double crossed for it! ( and a reprint of the Harvey Kent trilogy was my second story with him). So I’ve always been empathetic for him ever since...
Glad you also agree about Beautiful Ugly and Judas Coin! Oh, another one I would rather have seen is O’Neil and Novick’s “Threat of the Two-Headed Coin” instead of seeing the Neal Adams “Half an Evil” yet a-fucking-gain, but that was a fool’s hope. That story is never not going to be included in any Best Of Two-Face collection.

I love that your earliest experience was that JLA story, and it gave you a soft spot for him. If collections like the ARKHAM collection simply had to include stories that were more than one issue, I’d happily have seen that included. That, and the two-part Gilda story by Wolfman and Novick.
Aside from a pretty great use of and characterization of Harvey, I love how Priest reinforced that Two-Faces was ttained by Deathstroke AND Batman...and used him as a competent lawyer for the other Arkham inmates. Really intelligent depiction of Harvey ( not to mention cool muscle shirt)

On the non muscly side I really enjoyed Batman vs Two-Fave. If lower budgets mean I even get to watch stories like this in animation than I’m fine with it. That said, I used to teach Toon Boom studio and the digital tools should be driving down the cost on producing fluiddtai,Ed traditional 2D animation. I’d like to think it should be getting possible to create at least Warner Bros quality on a HannaBarbera budget...

That aside...the twist in this movie floored me...and the performances out of Shatner and West were top notch. I briefly saw West at Silicon Valley comic con not long before this film ( and Shatner the year before). Adam West was a class act...taking time to wave and say hi to me as he was being being wheeled thru the crowd by Burt Ward. Batman vs Two-Facefeatured an intense story of friendship and redemption that was a fitting finale for this dynamic duo! Sleep well, bright Knight.
It’s amazing how Priest shows a rare interest in drawing from past canon, which everyone else would either ignore or retcon. The downside of this is that he explicitly made Talia a rapist, which I think even Morrison walked back on. Knowing that made me even LESS interested to read Priest’s run, but damn if he didn’t win me over in the end. Still, Talia deserves better.

Yeah, I sorta figured we were seeing a kind of Hanna Barbera (or even Filmation) kind of budget at the DC animated films. But even still—and I’m no expert in this field so I’m just talking out of my ass here—it still seems they could allow for brighter palates when necessary. I’m hoping the success of “Into the Spider-Verse” will lead to an uptick in colorful, stylized animation rather than the usual drab pseudo-anime style that’s dominated most of the films.

Shatner was SO GOOD. He balanced the performances so well, and really gave it far more of an effort than so many other celebrities that are hired for those animated films. And Adam West really, really nailed the pained desire to save Harvey. It was a wonderful note for him to go out on, even though it’s sad to know that they clearly wanted to keep going.

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Welcome back, however temporarily! I know all too well about projects falling to the backburner, but if you ever do want to do something like the Crane origin post, know that I will be happy to read and share it here and on Tumblr, where it would be well-recieved by the Scarecrow fans who follow me.

As I myself was disappointed to learn when I read his original novel of The Prestige, that author is a different Christopher Priest. That guy is a white Englishman, while the comic Priest is African-American. His real name is Jim Owsley, which he went under during his work in the 80’s at Marvel and DC, including (I just now remembered) that great Two-Face story where Batman busts Harvey out of Arkham to go to South America. Owsley became Priest for reasons I don’t know, but his work as Priest yielded some of the best comics of the 90’s, such as his run on Black Panther and Quantum & Woody.
Oh, what did you think of Harvey's cameo in Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, if you watched it?

And on the subject of Hugo Strange, what about Night of the Monster Men? How about Basil's stint with the good guys? It was sweet at times, but I couldn't stop feeling Basil was the wrong Clayface for that kind of story; Comics! Matt may have been a shallow rotten crook, but he at least seemed more redeemable despite his jerk tendencies. Basil always struck me as the Clayface who actually enjoyed being a nasty egg.

I'd also ask your opinion on the three Jokers, but it seems like no one, not even DC themselves, can make any sense out of that...

I'm OverMaster/NapoleonDeCheese, by the way, although I never posted much here.
I still haven’t seen Hell To Pay! I have no excuse now that it’s on Hulu, or was last I checked, so I really must fix that! Yes, that and Gotham By Gaslight are two big omissions from this post that I should maybe possibly add later. I probably won’t, but I should!

I read most of the Monster Men story and rather liked it, although ultimately, I feel like it sorta short-changed Hugo as a threat, especially given that he’s now Bane’s underling alongside the likes of Ventriloquist and Psycho-Pirate, when he really should be the true mastermind of the whole “destroy Batman psychologically” plot. After Arkham City, I’m sick of people making Hugo into basically a Dr. Mindbender to the main Cobra Commander or Destro figure.

I really, really liked the ‘Tec run overall, particularly Tim (my favorite, who never gets appreciated enough) and Clayface. But yes, it annoys the HELL out of me how he’s really clearly TAS Matt Hagen, and in no way resembles Basil Karlo. I mean, geez, his human form had him looking like a Abercrombie and Fitch model who got a role in a CW show, not a guy named after Basil Rathbone and Boris Karloff! I was able to overlook that for the most part, but geez... it was DC Rebirth! A soft reboot of continuity! They could have just made him Matt Hagen already and gotten it over with! Sigh.

I have no idea what to make of the Three Jokers thing, other than that it’ll probably be stupid. I mean, they’ve already fundamentally changed their plans on that from how it was originally announced, with one of the Jokers being Scott Snyder’s Endgame-era Joker. Who know what the final product will be, assuming it does come out anytime soon, given that DC is scrambling to figure out the future of their Black Label after the Bat-Penis debacle of Damned.
I am a new user and absolutely love your site! I am also a big fan of Harvey. However, there are two things I like to say (ha ha).

One: I personally really enjoyed My Own Worst Enemy. I loved how Scott explored Bruce and Harvey's relationship and how he made full use of Harvey's split personality. I also loved just how threatening Two Face was in the story. There were so many villains in there yet Harvey managed to stand out among them as the most dangerous. In my opinion it is better than the Big Burn. Although I do hope you get to review the story someday so you can further explain your opinion on it.

Two: OMG how did you miss Two Face's appearance in the Batman Telltale video game?!?!??! That is probably his biggest appearance in media since the Dark Knight! In the game Harvey is one of the main antagonists and Telltale actually shows his full origin and descent into madness throughout the episodic nature of their game. People are saying that it's his best media appearance since Batman TAS and I agree with them. I still can't believe you missed it but I hope that you will get to talk about it someday.
New person! Hello and welcome! Thanks for commenting!

Despite my own considerable problems with “My Own Worst Enemy,” I’m always happy when someone enjoys a Harvey-centric story. When I finally am able to review it properly, I hope you’ll comment with your own thoughts in full. Hopefully we won’t clash too much. :)

Holy hell, how DID I miss the Telltale game?! That’s the single biggest omission! Wait, I know how I missed it: I’ve been actively trying not to think about it because I’ve become incredibly sick of all the Bruce/Joker shipping I see on Tumblr, a pairing that pretty much covers everything that I SHOULD be seeing for Bruce/Harvey. Personally, I don’t ship them, but as I’m a huge proponent of them being best friends, I’m happy to see fans take it one step further into a relationship since it basically amounts to the same thing in spirit.

As such, I have been putting off playing the games because I know it’s going to dredge up so much frustration towards both Telltale and the fans, and I’m reluctant to go through all that. Regardless, it deserved a prominent mention here, and I feel like a right dummy for forgetting that one!

RE: Re: Hello!

Great Goblin

10 months ago

Oh, so that's what Harvey has been up to. I like his new look, at least.

Good to see a bit of life in this blog! I know you're mostly on Tumblr now but I always found it so difficult for conversations and - for me - a total time sink (not necessarily in a bad way, but I can't afford to lose so much time to mindless scrolling :P).

(Comment is fashionably late, but hey!)